This post probably takes birth following my friend's post on how hard it is to be one's true self when one carries two XX chromosomes instead of an X and a Y. I also had a conversation with an old friend who talked of why he did not want his sister to write JEE despite her being academically brilliant and having opted for the science stream in +2. The reason he cited was, this is an unhealthy environment for girls, it takes too much out of you being a girl in this place.How many of us can truthfully disagree with that? The first thing that a school junior of mine uttered, on being asked how she was finding IIT Bombay, was, it feels scary being a girl here.
Girls suffer the torment of being placed under a judgmental microscope practically everywhere but I'm just going to talk about this esteemed centre of excellence. For some crazy reason (I still cant figure out what), I always believed that education was associated with character and an open mind. My naivety in associating academic excellence with education is another issue. I can still recall the culture shock I got, back in my freshman year, when I realized that a majority of even the so-called educated guys in an esteemed and reverred academic institute were in character no way different from roadside hooligans.
Right from the freshie night anti-cheerings and the countless sick messages received to bets on what you would wear in class to gossiping of graphic liasons with every guy you speak with to attributing every single achievement of yours to unscruplous means, every girl here learns to accept that she cannot expect any respect from her male counterparts here.
A dear friend had once tried to surmise a reason for guys here being even worse than the guys in regular colleges, a fact that he believed to be the case. His reasoning was that nearly 95 percent of the guys who made it here had spent their growing up years absorbed in just books, obviously a healthy interaction with girls was absent, especially at a time when they were maturing. Upon coming here, they were introduced to countless hours of pornography that eventually resultsed in them viewing the female species as mere objects, nothing more.
Another reason that people kept pointing out was the male ego walking ten miles ahead of the entities themselves. Its hard for guys to accept that girls can be equal to them. When the equality in skill gets proven, its time to find other faults. The fact that they then no longer consider the girls female but coin a term non-males for them should give an indication of the levels to which they would go to display their contempt.
Whats even more disheartening is that when, in such a place, we girls should have stuck together, we failed to do just that. We turned out to be each others' worst enemies. Instead of supporting each other, we pulled each other down when one of us got something we all wanted.
You can attribute it to the male ego or the skewed sex ratio but the fact remains that it does take a lot out of you to retain your sanity here if you're a girl. Of course we do evolve to adapt to the environment. We get used to people talking rubbish and just accustom ourselves not to pay heed. And if we cannot develop that resistance and immunity to these arrows , we wear cloaks of invisibility and hide inside our shells, at least no arrows are launched then. We dont wear skirts to class even if its sweltering 41 degrees outside with an 88% humidity to match. We train ourselves not be hurt when we realize that erstwhile friends had been talking behind our backs. We accustom ourselves to keep our feelings inside us and not let them out even if they lead to insurmountable stress accompanied by pcos.
A place of learning should be characterised by freedom, to explore one's strengths and not by prejudiced societal diktats. People might argue that its the Indian society where we grew up but somehow I believed that people of such high mental callibre would have an associated moral fibre to think independently and choose what they believed was right. Sadly, I was disappointed.
PS: That apart, I must say I have been lucky to have friends here who have not only treated me with respect but also supported me in my endeavours. may their tribe increase. And unfortunately, most of the girls here have not been that lucky.
Girls suffer the torment of being placed under a judgmental microscope practically everywhere but I'm just going to talk about this esteemed centre of excellence. For some crazy reason (I still cant figure out what), I always believed that education was associated with character and an open mind. My naivety in associating academic excellence with education is another issue. I can still recall the culture shock I got, back in my freshman year, when I realized that a majority of even the so-called educated guys in an esteemed and reverred academic institute were in character no way different from roadside hooligans.
Right from the freshie night anti-cheerings and the countless sick messages received to bets on what you would wear in class to gossiping of graphic liasons with every guy you speak with to attributing every single achievement of yours to unscruplous means, every girl here learns to accept that she cannot expect any respect from her male counterparts here.
A dear friend had once tried to surmise a reason for guys here being even worse than the guys in regular colleges, a fact that he believed to be the case. His reasoning was that nearly 95 percent of the guys who made it here had spent their growing up years absorbed in just books, obviously a healthy interaction with girls was absent, especially at a time when they were maturing. Upon coming here, they were introduced to countless hours of pornography that eventually resultsed in them viewing the female species as mere objects, nothing more.
Another reason that people kept pointing out was the male ego walking ten miles ahead of the entities themselves. Its hard for guys to accept that girls can be equal to them. When the equality in skill gets proven, its time to find other faults. The fact that they then no longer consider the girls female but coin a term non-males for them should give an indication of the levels to which they would go to display their contempt.
Whats even more disheartening is that when, in such a place, we girls should have stuck together, we failed to do just that. We turned out to be each others' worst enemies. Instead of supporting each other, we pulled each other down when one of us got something we all wanted.
You can attribute it to the male ego or the skewed sex ratio but the fact remains that it does take a lot out of you to retain your sanity here if you're a girl. Of course we do evolve to adapt to the environment. We get used to people talking rubbish and just accustom ourselves not to pay heed. And if we cannot develop that resistance and immunity to these arrows , we wear cloaks of invisibility and hide inside our shells, at least no arrows are launched then. We dont wear skirts to class even if its sweltering 41 degrees outside with an 88% humidity to match. We train ourselves not be hurt when we realize that erstwhile friends had been talking behind our backs. We accustom ourselves to keep our feelings inside us and not let them out even if they lead to insurmountable stress accompanied by pcos.
A place of learning should be characterised by freedom, to explore one's strengths and not by prejudiced societal diktats. People might argue that its the Indian society where we grew up but somehow I believed that people of such high mental callibre would have an associated moral fibre to think independently and choose what they believed was right. Sadly, I was disappointed.
PS: That apart, I must say I have been lucky to have friends here who have not only treated me with respect but also supported me in my endeavours. may their tribe increase. And unfortunately, most of the girls here have not been that lucky.
I really can't say much. I'll say read my blog. But whatever you said is true. The shell or the arrows - that's a decision we girls will face at every stage in our lives. So, it's time to make a choice.
ReplyDeleteTo sum up: IIT is a drab gloomy pesky infernal willfully awful place of misery. Comparable to a concentration camp! Aint it?
ReplyDeleteGood that you are getting out in less than an year.
I strongly disagree with your view [:P]. On a more serious note, you don't know the situation in local colleges. Please go there and you will feel you live in heaven. The situation is same in almost every college to say the least. By no means the situation here is worse or deplorable for girls. You always feel that the grass on the other side is greener..can't help. this is human tendency
ReplyDelete@ Apurv: I didnt say so. This place gives you growth opportunities and teaches you to survive. But that doesnt justify the other aspects
ReplyDelete@ Rakshit: Are you telling us that we shouldn't demand for betterment but be happy to consider this a blessing, not something we truly deserve? Or is this an excuse for your behavior because like you said, its the same everywhere and you want to imply that you cant change?
My previous comment might have been too strong but thats how you made it sound in the blog. This is a well-proven fact that male mentality generally tends towards being perversive. But that doesnt mean all the guys just pounce upon any girl that comes their way! Most (and i mean it, most) of the guys aren't like this. Even if some guy passes a comment on you, in all probability he will forget it the next moment. Therefore, its for your own good to not keep that incident biting you forever. Learn to forget!
ReplyDelete@rakshit - I outrightly disagree with ur views that IIT is heaven for girls compared to outside colleges, and we are talking the god forsaken cream of the nation here and not the college next to chandu-chai-ki-dukan. Isn't IIT the top-of-the-top colleges in the world, then why is the measurable part of population immature!!
ReplyDeleteThe situation hardly exists in the colleges of same calibre in other fields left alone engineering colleges of India!!
I completely disagree.
ReplyDeleteI think by writing and publicizing these ideas of yours, you are doing no gud. no1 is gonna change for the better by 2-3 blog posts. moreover there ARE a FEW decent people in this wide world. Can't you look at things you like and turn a blind eye to the filth? Is it really so difficult??
ReplyDeleteI can agree on most points... people who come here come with an inflated ego of being "the best." And their ego doesn't cease after coming here while everybody has done the same amount of hardwork or has similar mental abilities. The fact that girls are few in colleges like ours makes the guys surmise that they are better. So when a girl challenges you you cant take it sportingly and find other faults and reasons. I am a strong adherent of women being the stronger sex in their hearts and minds. We fail to see the better side of girls and just treat them as "figures." How many of us look at the face while talking to a girl. How many of us don't call her names if she just talks to more than a boy. We dont even respect a girl's friendship with a girl. IITians are the sickest lot i have seen who ironically claim to be the best. I wont say that this is the state only here. Our mindsets, and not only Indian's everywhere, is that males are the superior sapiens. Its good to see they are being proved wrong in most fields now. Its time we give the other sex the respect they deserve
ReplyDeletethanks for the P.S. part.
ReplyDeletebtw, i still don't agree that IITians are the sickest or the cheapest lot. people in other average colleges are worse
@KG: What made you think you fall under the category of people mentioned in P.S.?
ReplyDelete@ kay gee: atleast they agree that they are assholes and dont have bloated ego's like us
ReplyDelete@ Apurv: She wonly told me. :) Ask her
ReplyDelete@ arjun: bloated ego doesnt make one cheap
another wing chat on shruti's blog, eh?
@Anuj Chaudhary - The whole reasoning that other colleges of same reputation are much better is flawed. Please talk to some guy/girl in AIIMS and you will realize the situation is no better. The fact is that over the course of 5 years every person undergoes a change and I am sure you must have experienced that yourself. The 5th years no longer behave the same way they did wen they entered the college. Boys tend to get mature a little later in their lives and hence the result.
ReplyDeleteAnd for Godsake, dont think IITians are God's gift to mankind. We are just normal human beings with bloated egos.
@ kaygee: no it doesnt make one cheap... but the pretense of being suave makes it worse when you are as uncivilised as any other person outside. and i mean any other person cause the thinking of the people here is as derogatory as outside... maybe we lack the courage to act upon our words.
ReplyDeleteAnd regarding this whole non-male thing, I hope you know why it was coined. Moreover, no one (I mean no one!) looks at girls as non-males.
ReplyDeletePS : well said nits..
Hey I just realised a lot of you are suddenly jumping up because this post pointed a finger at you. If you tread the post that I wrote u'll find that most instances are what happened to one or the other of the girls here.
ReplyDelete@ Rakshit: Ok so u are not the worst of the lot. So what u really aren't heaven either. The simple reason u are arguing is because u did it at some point or the other to someone or the other. And that goes to most guys who disagree.
@ Apurv: U know better than anyone how glad I'll be to get out of here. Not because I expect the outside world to be better. But really man this place and these ppl have taught me some valuable lessons. So will watch my step.
ReplyDelete@ everyone: That's the best any girl can do- watch her step. Or do u have any better suggestions?
to quote Sirisha: "The simple reason u are arguing is because u did it at some point or the other to someone or the other.And that goes to most guys who disagree"
ReplyDeletePuhhlease...u have no right of judging people whom you do not know. If you want to say things about your 'friends' go ahead. Why would you generalize the thing. As I said before...there ARE a FEW decent people in this wide world. I told this to Shruti as well that if you girls have such a big problem then why dont you complain to the authorities or even better your parents??
to quote Rakshit: "Moreover, no one (I mean no one!) looks at girls as non-males".
ReplyDeleteI disagree with you.
@ Nits: i agree we shouldn't be judgemental and that goes for both sides of the party not only the guys. None of us fall into the "perfect" category so we shouldn't be dicrediting others.
ReplyDelete@ Sirisha: you might have had a bad experience here but that shouldn't be the basis for you to generalise the opposite sex. Every individual behaves differently so treat everyone individually... though i can agree on most points about the quandary of girls here...
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ReplyDeleteI whole heartedly agree with the post. Guys seem to care less because they think that is cool. They have to realize that it doesn't go that easily with the opposite sex. Rightly said, "you cannot call a girl a whore and expect her to be cool about it."
ReplyDeleteWhy is it bothersome to friends if someone expresses her opinion thus? Is it insecurity? Aside, the author has got all the right in the world to express her take on some issue, even if it's pertaining to a small minority. It goes without saying that 'all guys are not like that' and this should be realized by those who claim to be so.
I completely disagree with Rakshit about no one looking at the girls as non-males. You seriously need to look around mate, if you think so.
Nitin, complain to the authorities? For calling names behind you back? Issue seems trivial, even from the point of view of authorities. And it reiterates the fact that these issues are seldom given the importance they deserve; be it on a blog or elsewhere.
Education is supposed to empower you with the ability of judgment without knowing or unknowing bias. Unfortunately, it doesn't amount to it.
@ to everybody supporting the argument in the post
ReplyDeleteplease talk to your friends in other colleges. the boys in those colleges are a worse lot. if some IITians send sick messages (that too in the first couple of months of the first year), then the boys of those colleges hurl sicker comments to you in person. And there, who doesn't have a tendency to gossip when a girl talks to a boy? Most people in all colleges do that. In our college, its much lesser. Welcome to college life!
And, to quote you from the post '..a majority of the so-called educated guys.. ..were no better than the roadside hooligans'
If then, during a certain event, guys did behave like 'roadside hooligans', then in the other colleges most people behave as roadside hooligans all the time.
and where does back-biting and behind-the-back-talking not take place? Uh, welcome to college life again!
Lastly, 'watching endless ours of pornography' or 'the male ego' has nothing to do with it.
Please don't make a mountain out of a molehill. If you don't have many friends in other colleges, make some. And, do discuss it with them.
@kay gee:
ReplyDeleteThe problem is not restricted to college life! It's addressed to the general place of females in the society. And if the 'other' colleges show such trend, isn't it true about our society?
Moreover it's like saying to girls that, though looked down upon, they are far better off here than in other colleges, so better shut up and not voice your concerns!
"its hard for guys to accept that girls can be equal to them. When the equality in skill gets proven, its time to find other faults. The fact that they then no longer consider the girls female but coin a term non-males for them should give an indication of the levels to which they would go to display their contempt" - this sounds pretty illogical to me.
ReplyDelete1. I really don't know what makes you think that guys don't believe girls to be equal to them. In fact it's the other way round - at least in insti. Most of us boys always regarded girls as more hard-working and serious in life than us guys. Ask anyone in insti and he will give the same answer.
2. I always thought that "non-male" was used in jest and not in contempt mostly because most girls in insti don't look like those beautiful but dumb babes you find in regular colleges!
I do agree with you on the talking rubbish attitude of guys - almost everyone does that and I would never know how it feels to live as girl in a place where frustrated guys keep talking shit without giving a hoot to what impact their twaddle might have on the concerned girls.
Moreover, it's not friends alone that a girl has to live with. There are competitors, among other things, and so she can't just be happy that friends are good and caring and ignore the rest.
ReplyDeleteLook I dont think we are generalising. We do realise that there are exceptions to every category. But who here can deny that a majority here can't care less about what they say about the opposite sex.
ReplyDelete@ Rakshit: I would like to see u get over it if someone calls ur sister names and she cries in front of you. Sorry to get personal there but if you cant swallow it despite being only a third party involved in the case how do u expect the person directly involved to forget it?
Well forgetting it because they don't matter is another way of pacifying ourselves as we unfortunately can't do much about it. And trust me that should be anyone's last resort. I'm just asking u to think again before saying something. I'm not generalising.
Oh btw by "here" in my first statement I mean at IIT
ReplyDelete@ aniket
ReplyDeleteand, then, what do you propose is the solution?
you think writing blogs/comments would serve as an eye opener?
if a guy behaves indecently towards a girl, the girl can surely confront him and talk to him about it, unless he is in a group. And if, even then, situation doesn't change she must take it up with a senior GCU counselor or somebody.
now you might argue that one cannot change the mindset. true, you cannot bring about a dramatic change. that's why just get disposed of the situation temporarily and learn to ignore such people or incidents. we can't do much about the skewed sex-ratio either.
plus, i don't know how difficult it is to look at the positive side of being a female at IIT. most of the guys (including everyone who has commented so far) here are pretty decent, much more than you're going to find outside or in other colleges.
As for other colleges....well talking to some friends in other colleges (Engineering and Medicine) had inspired me to put in a few questions/statements in my blog. "Yeh toh wahi baat ho gayi ki andhon mein kaana raja."
ReplyDelete@ KG: So whoever said here is not better. Why are you comparing? The post just talks about an absolute situation here. Can you deny that?
ReplyDeleteAs for complaining to the authorities if i had gone with half my complaints to the authorities it would have ruined more than a few careers. So you still think its a good idea to go to the authorities?
alright... the situation in other colleges is way worse... that does not mean, its ok to have a better "worse" situation here.. and whom are you comparing yourselves with?? stop doing these cheap comparisons... it doesn't matter whats happening in those colleges...what matters is whats happening here..
ReplyDeleteand i second sirisha... if you had a sister and your so called friends sent out cheap messages to her or something similar, how would you react??
i know a few cases..some went and kicked the hell out of such "friends" and some just sat and cried like pussies...
Song for this post:
WALK by Pantera..
@ Shruti: No matter what people say, there is nothing wrong in what you have done. I dunno why i am saying this here, but just felt like..
For the love of God people, You (including me, I guess) are one of the better half (quite sensible) people of the society. Stop the accusations and the blame-game! If we cannot arrive at a solution, lets not resort to mud-slinging. All the guys here (again, including me) need to resolve to think twice before talking "shit" about any one from the fairer sex species. As rightly pointed out, she may be somebody's sister/mother/friend.
ReplyDeleteI think the author of the post needs to provide a concluding remark here!
@ People who say we should be happy because its worse everywhere else: Are you guys seriously telling us that we should be happy with this situation because the society is such, it wont change, so we should just shut up and grib and bear it??? Is it wrong to speak out against what is harming you? If that was the case people should have been happy with the status quo as far as imperialism, superstitions, child marriages, harassment at workplace and everything was concerned.
ReplyDeleteFor the record, if you read the post carefully, I have never said that all guys are bad or even that guys are responsible for this situation. Girls are equally responsible. Come on, they bitch in equal proportions if not more, form similar opinions, be it the link ups or the name calling. The prevalent mindset is such that a majority of the residents, guys or girls, view girls as such, calling the outgoing one cheap and so on.I'm not calling guys villains, most certainly not.
Also, surprisingly, most of the people who commented here fall into the PS category, or did you folks not reach till the end of the post which does salute you guys. Most of you are people who have stood by their friends, even fought for them, in such situations. Why are you people being defensive?
On a lighter note, people have just rambled on and on in their comments here. Ever thought of making those comments as a separate post in your own blogs?
ReplyDelete@Shruti: With that question in the last line, you have marked the opening of another of the flood gates for comments!
ReplyDeleteTo answer your questions, all these P.S. category guys out here, were probably just trying appease you somehow. And by the response you can judge that there are so many people who will stand by you (and Sirisha both) in the time of need or whenever you wish to put your foot-down and voice it to the world.
As far as the summing up is concerned, Apurv and Nitin had a complaint yesterday. They have been repeatedly telling me to smile for the PS and ignore the rest because there ARE nice guys in the world. According to them, I devoted paragraphs to people who deserve to be ignored and a tiny PS for those who have stood the test of time, that I never gave them their due for being there.
ReplyDeleteThe truth is the number of people who can fall into the PS category is far less compared with the others. But no matter how many of the judgmental folks you encounter, both male and female, at the end of it you remember you have people who fall in the PS category, and that lucky realization helps end each turmoil in the same way it concluded the post. And I still hold that every girl was not that fortunate.
But when a problem exists, no matter who the sufferer is, someone should bring it out in the open, so that sooner or later, it can be sorted out.
And ya On Record : The PS is something I begin everyday being thankful to God for.
PS is PSaffy aa???
ReplyDeleteIt's a good thing that you wrote this post. I agree with you that guys are not well behaved here( I myself is one example).
ReplyDeletegirls life:
It's in our culture. Just see that if a guy have too many gfs then he is a cool guy but if the girl had too many boyfriends then she's a whore. I have seen the guys attitude in delhi and it's not even good enough to tell you. Guys here are much better only because they are going to be at a descent place when they go out of here. If you girls don't have unity then its your problem(guys didn't create it).
guy's life:
We didn't have much experience about talking to girls(which is not the case with you). When we come here, we try to talk but 90% don't have good chances(Only because they are not good looking or don't know how to talk to girls). So when they fail, they crib-"ANGOOR KHATTE HAIN :P". If you don't agree then tell me why guys(with a good experience of talking to girls) talk better and you like a chat with them.
I know you don't even like this situation but its psychological. Deal with the situation and just remember world is like this you want it or not. If you don't then be a house wife(plz don't mind). And also don't think that its easy for us too, we have hajar problems too but we have to deal with it b'coz we don't have a option. But you do!
'Much ado about nothing' is something that properly sums up this blog post.
ReplyDeleteFirstly, you say that life here as a girl is 'scary' and the atmosphere 'unhealthy'. Scary and unhealthy, why? Because guys here apparently act like roadside hooligans.
Have you ever encountered hooliganism,eve teasing, goondaism or similar such trouble in real life? I guess not. If you brand the people, half of whom, don't even personally talk to girls except for a few polite nods here and there as 'hooligans', what do you call the rampant 'eve teasing', 'college wars', 'party politics' etc that go on in other colleges that border criminal proportions?
The points about guys facing the dark reality of stumbling across girls who equal or better them and their egotistic reactions of branding 'non-males' as some kind of sadist wishfulness to reclaim their superiority are too immature to be even countered.Most of the people here have studied in coed schools and have had enough competing sisters/cousins and female classmates to know better than tohave a 'superiority complex' about being a boy and experience an identity crisis when overshadowed by a girl.
And the brilliant assessment over why guys turn out this way which included the tragic and lonesome childhood they had spent buried under a pile of books and then the sudden shock of finding themselves in a pornography haven is as disrespectful to the boys as their snide behind-the back remarks are to you.
Wake up! JEE is difficult,yes,but not that difficult. Most people have experienced some kind of social life and still get through JEE. Yes,people go through that grind-ware of coaching centers that does affect their people skills, to some extent, but suggesting it can affect people enough for them to start disrespecting the entire woman-kind is some nonsense you friend just cooked up.
And the non-male thing is just an internal joke guys made up on finding some of their well preserved hopes dashed the minute they entered these hallowed portals.I am surprised you people take it so seriously.I don't think anybody is rude enough to call any girl non-male on her face.
Remember Gandhiji's talisman? The story about how when depressed with his troubles in life he simply used to observe the poorest man lying on the roadside and realize that that the "troubles" he was crying about was very trivial to what could have been.This case is somewhat similar. Since you have a very nice life, when compared to millions of people all around and don't have to face even a fraction of the problems almost everyone has to, you take up trivial and pointless issues that make no difference whatsoever in the larger picture and cry hoarse over it with a misplaced sense of proportion.
I still cant understand why people are suggesting we should grin and bear it. You keep saying that the situation outside is worse so we should be happy. Tell me one thing, why do all of us crib when we dont get the hyped 15 lac job and land a 3 lac job when thats the average for people from other colleges.
ReplyDeleteAnd nowhere do I say we cant handle it. On the contrary we can handle it more than well, which is why no one cribs about it in the open and most of us turn immune to it. But sweethearts developing a thick skin is not the solution. I had hoped educated guys would stand up for at least supporting change instead of doling out advices to act like ostriches. Education should be about helping you decide whats right and giving you the courage to act upon that decision along with wanting to see things in a better state instead of agreeing that evil exists and being happy it isnt worse. Disappointed. Seriously disappointed.
Dear Shruti,
ReplyDeleteThis blog may be the your outburst against the boy's commmunity because of some boys but generalising the things is a serious offense for those who are not like what u have described and comparision with "Road side Hooligans" is highly absurd.
@all: Every one has to right to speak but please for god sake no one has right to offend.
Saffy : U have to be little senstive while making the statements. Bringing up parents and family members in between proves yes there exists a cheap lot.
Oh really!!! So bringing up parents and family does prove that there is a cheap lot right. Tell me haven't you ever brought up a girl's parents or family? Or haven't you ever heard someone else bring it up? Did you try to correct them then the same way?
ReplyDeleteBesides every one seems to be so offended by the "Roadside Hooligans" term......If you think you are not a roadside hooligan then be happy that ppl who matter to you know it and you know it. Forget it and move on. Why is everyone making such a scene?
Aptly described by an able "friend" 'Much ado about nothing'
Your reaction to the term is only making you seem weaker in front of the person who said. So suck it up and flush it out.
Liked my advice???? Well just a very well rehearsed speech I heard in many forms and got to read it also. If it applies to girls it applies to guys also right. So...someone called u a name and look who is acting all sensitive now!!!
Besides a Roadside Hooligan is not as demeaning a term as is a slut or a whore or a bitch, which, deny me if u can, are quite often used in many guys' daily vocab. Mind you I said many not all.
ReplyDelete@sirisha: Yes I did.. When my own wing mates were trying to put comments on my two M.Tech friends. I not only stopped them but also warned them. And it applies to all my friends.
ReplyDelete"Tell me haven't u ever brought up a girl's parents or family ?"
I haven't done that and I haven't listened that because my friends don't bring parents in between either he is a girl or a boy.
Sirisha you look very aggresive so just calm down. I don't need your advice.
@dhamki:
ReplyDeletei did not bring up parents..parents bring us up..
jokes apart, give me one good reason why i cant abuse your( i dont mean you here, just those guys who are cheap) family when you can abuse my friends?? i am just talking in their language..
now, think how your mom would react if she knew you were calling women as bitches and sluts etc...
and the roadside hooligans or whatever are less dangerous than educated people.. atleast you know they are not worth considering..
its not like that!!
for example, dhamki is a nice guy.
Dhamki... you are "MY HERO"..
ReplyDeleteI thought I should have a say here not only because I have a google account and hence lambasting others' opinions through the comment section suddenly becomes my prerogative too [this is a hint for Shruti, anonymous de do yaar, I belong to the too lazy to login kinds]but also, coz:
ReplyDelete1) I am a girl.
2) I am from a nondescript pathetic engg college the likes of which has been dragged in against the elite IITs through several rhetorical ruses.
3) I have known the author since the time we really didn't care about being a girl or a boy.
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In every engg college the gender ratio is more or less skewed, infact i would go ahead and generalise the situation to ANY college barring a few!
And, so the discrimination follows you everywhere. Men with bloated egos find it difficult to vote for/work under or even work with women smarter or as smart as him.
I wonder whatever gave (to certain people here) the idea that the scenario is diff at IITs. If it is diff, maybe its only worse. I have somehow found many of the IITians (boys) proud and least ashamed of their perverseness. Nothing, not even the presence of women will make them shut up. It also includes unnecessary catcalling of their (often sick) nick names.
There's also this other tribe of men more dangerous than the former, which comes out as pro feminism, seems to respect women and is pretty gung ho about liberty for women. yet, these being nothing more than a facade, they reveal their true colours once their ego is put at stake.
Suddenly, just like nonchalance is being cool so is championing for women related causes. But beware for this is nothing but a pretense.
However, as unfair as all generalisations are, I agree with the author. Whatever little I have known of the IITs which can easily be said of the other low-rung engg colleges too, labelling any woman a non-male is probably the least derogatory thing to do. I don't think i need to exemplify the acts worse than these.
I can bet my money on the fact that most of these guys wouldnt be able to stand the over the top girly girls either. (please note the phrase->over-the-top, its absolutely okay to be girly for a girl!)
Infact I have known boys from villages studying in my college; boys who never touched a PC before coming to the college; boys who read in hindi all of their schooling life;boys who might have multiple backlogs; boys who might never earn themselves a front page coverage on ET; heck! boys who might not even know what ET is or where stanfy is located....yet these boys don't swear infront of girls to make themselves look macho or open-minded or cool! nor do they wear perverseness on their sleeves nor require their egos to be massaged (ofcourse by the lower mortals called women). They respect women in the truest sense of it.
We expect people who have had elite level education or intelligence to transcend the social prejudices, nihilist the orthodox culture, bury the heretics. But I believe it (the education) can stand only so much against the innate perverseness, the flagitious chauvinists flanked and degenerated by a flamboyant ego.
They only show where they come from, the animals that they are beneath the armani suits, driving the SUVs. Period.
And please, closing your eyes on the filth is as pathetic as not standing up for yourself.
Quoting Vivekanada "The victims are as much at fault if they don't raise voice as much as the perpetrator of the crime".
Also quoting something which everybody would have read at some point or the other.
"Where the mind is without fear and the head is held high;
Where knowledge is free;
Where the world has not been broken up into fragments by narrow domestic walls;
Where words come out of the depths of truth;
Where the clear stream of reason has not lost its way into the dreary desert sand of dead habit;
Where the mind is led forward by thee into ever-widening thought and action--
Into that heaven, my father, let my country awake."
I rest my case.
the comment is long coz i thought i'd put it on my blog but then since my blog is not open for all, let my say here have a larger audience.
ReplyDeleteBabe, you are free to delete the comment in case you feel i have exploited your comment space!
50 up! yay! \m/
ReplyDelete@Shruti: Treat! Treat! Treat!
@Subhanka(Music Diva): For you, Babe, anytime
ReplyDeletelast post 11:59 PM :) just before the cut :)
ReplyDeleteI hope some media guys don't read this post !! The comments will go to thousands then and the bashing will never cease!!
@muzik diva: kitna gussa hai yaaron aapko ladkon pe!!!
ReplyDeleteanyways..glad you clarified (alternative point of view when compared to rakshit etc) if the situation in other colleges is better "worse" or worse "worse"...
by the way, what is ET?? :)
PS: PSaffy is not trying to make fun of your comment... And he does not know good english..:)
And Dhamki is really a nice guy.. but i dunno why!!
Uhm hey, I am called Josh. Anyways, I guess much has been said already. So, lemme just say that the post was really well written and on a very relevant topic too. Kudos!
ReplyDeleteUm,okay so as someone from the 'other college'(as many of you put it) i can testify it that things are pretty much the same even outside the gates of your institute, though we do not come into contact with human population in such biased ratios on daily basis. personally, i am in a hugely girl dominated field (just do a gender reversal of yours), and we still feel as utterly insignificant and unsafe. I too cannot wear skirt in a class which has 97% females for the sake of the almost non-existent males. It seems their minimal number does them all the more good. They become a close nit bunch of crooked minds. every girl who initially tries to befriend a male is exposed to the obvious stares, whisperings(not exactly behind the back) and becomes the object of the dirty inside talk.. literally, every single guy of my class has been linked, or rather thrust upon, a girl(s) for the rest of our college life.And mind you this is not only the males we are talking about. the omni-present fairer sex lies no less behind in practically disowning the lady who dare make any such move.
ReplyDeleteSo to quote the blog, we have to 'adapt' ourselves not just according to whims of the other sex, but also to cater the righteousness of our own folk.
I have been in a relatively good place and didn't have to undergo the nasty things, having company of friends who know the meaning of respecting women and being brought up in a family that has real men instead of pseudo-intellectuals; but i would still say the choice of arrows or shell is not apt. Women have to deal with the non-male thing even in the most incincievable situations. So, insted of giving up living life as we desired for some sick minds rotting inside the most inconpicuous bodies of perfect gentlemen, we need to learn to turn the arrows pointed at us in a way that it doesn't hurt anyone else... sounds highly idealistic, but that's the most practical solution and what women have been doing since forever.
I was tired of commenting here and waiting for responses. Also, I was not getting any topic for my own blog so... people care to read and comment.
ReplyDeletehttp://peacemaxlife.blogspot.com/2009/09/fairer-sex.html
@ PSaffy: Please refrain from making personal attacks
ReplyDeleteshruti u really are a warriorprincess :P
ReplyDeletewhy not??
ReplyDeleteisn't this post about people launching personal attacks on others without any reason??!!
i have not yet attacked anyone personally..just giving some examples.. you can delete my comments if you find them offensive.. no issues at all. :) <--- see, smiley :)
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ReplyDelete@ Everyone: I talked about the atmosphere and mentality here primarily not guys being villains and girls being devis. I had tried to establish that the people here behave in a manner not suiting their educational qualifications. The comments section proves what a crass sick cheap and disgusting lot we IITians are. Bravo people! Closing the comments section now
ReplyDeleteI guess all of us are ready to finally conclude this post. I would take this opportunity to suggest that people like a certain Mr. Rakshit and a certain Mr. PSaffy are not eligible to comment on this matter. This is precisely because guys like these are the primary target of this post and it is because of these people that some of the righteous gentlemen are blamed. Moreover, a certain Ms. Sirisha's comments clearly indicate that girls are no far behind and play a major role in creating prejudice among other girls.
ReplyDeleteThis blog post is another example of the degeneration that IITs are going through at present. But for now may this post and this topic RIP
mental calibure and moral fibre have very limited correlation.
ReplyDeleteInterpretations are overly skewed, people taking general things personally and generalizing personal ones.
ReplyDeleteHi Shruti...
ReplyDeleteShall I commence with...I empathize with you fully?!
Commendable as your post is, more interesting are the comments that follow!
Tried going through them all, ran out of patience somewhere midway, have heard all that at some point or the other...but some storm you have raised up!
You don't seem to need a support yet consider this as a voice of one...the most despicable of all that was said in defense was the expectation from girls to be fine with their plight in IITs because the situation is way better than that in other colleges.
For one, it isn't entirely true. Besides, and more importantly, it doesn't justify anything! It all comes down to the age old habit of counting on tolerance power of women and the helplessness of men owing to their chromosomes! Just because we are better off than some, we should be glad however unhappy we might be in our predicament!Unfair! There was no sound(at least I encountered none) pledging to create a better world or try at a personal level towards it!
I would refrain from commenting why was the non-male term coined but the argument that it was all done in fun is again weird( an attempt at euphemism)! Because, I have never seen it used that way! Again, what justifies guys being ignorant about their ignorance of the effect their just-for-fun comments have on girls?
Aren't such posts meant to knock some sense at least into the supposedly brainiest lot of the nation and make them aware of such things?!
Instead, we have the whole lot going on defensive!
There was a bit about complaining...now seriously, how naive is that! What can authorities or parents do about the problems listed? And was it a suggestion that if unable to face such problems girls should rather stay imprisoned in their homes? Since they are supposed to take all this muck in their stride? This is all so outrageous!
And thankful though we are for the PS category, doesn't it spell out our situation when we say that we are thankful for it?
Can say a lot more, but you I guess have left nothing more to...in fact all this was a mere repetition of what all you have already said...Brave attempt!
Apart from all this, are you also a branded feminist!?:-)